All that I personally knew of was people quitting their jobs or college/school and Pioneering. I know of many that bought new cars and houses, heavy credit card use, etc, expecting to stiff the banks when the "end of the world in 1975" would happen.
Simon Templar
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JWs took off from work in 1975?
by skeeter1 ina friend of mine is an electrician supervisor.
back in 1975, one of his employees was a jw.
the jw was so convinced that 1975 would bring the end of the world, that the jw took off from work (like, the first week in january) and sat on the top of a north carolina mountain waiting for armegheddon.
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District Convention drama practice
by hoser inthis experience goes back some time too.
it was one of the defining moments in helping me to wake up to this nonsense.. .
i had a minor role in a drama several years ago.
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Simon Templar
None of this surprises me. It sounds like the standard stuff that goes on in the Organization which has caused many to walk out the door.
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The elders came by and my DA letter
by Crazyguy inthe lead elder co of my hall said he was going to push for a jc meeting.
i could tell all along all hes interested in is protecting his god the org.. so i'm 90% sure now of going on the offesive and first having a family meeting telling them i'm offically quitting and how its going to play out and how i'll will be shunned even though i have commited no sin.
i also may explain a little of why and how i came to this decision with out bashing the org to much out of respect for my wife.
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Simon Templar
I was wondering why you feel it necessary to explain anything to them. It serves no purpose other than making you feel better. If that's the reason, so be it.
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To DA myself or to go to JC meeting, that is the question
by Crazyguy ini just got done with another visit at my home with two elders and even though i tried to say very little they took anything they could as a disagreement with them as enough to say they may call a jc meeting after they talk to the rest of the elder body.
so since they are planning on dfing me any way, i'm wondering if i should just write a letter or go through with their meeting?.
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Simon Templar
I don't know what this matter is about. Assuming that you have been falsely accused, I would do the following:
Have an Attorney write them a letter stating; A) Henceforth the Lawyer is representing you. You wish all future communication to be done through the Lawyer and you want the Lawyer present at all times. B) you have previously met with them and answered all questions that you were asked. You demand to know who the two witnesses are who have provided testimony in this matter. C) in the event that this matter is not dropped immediately, you intend to follow all legal remedies against the individuals who are pursuing you in this matter and those providing false testimony (Liable).
if you have willfully done something wrong that you know to be in violation of a commandment contained in the scriptures and got caught, thats a different matter. You signed up for all of their policies and consequences when you got baptised and answered the questions aloud at the assembly/convention. If that's the case, you may decide to take yourself out and save yourself the hassles.
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Does anyone know when Anthony Morris III started partaking?
by gbrn ini suppose that it is a long shot, but i was curious if anyone knew the answer to this question.
i had heard that morris became a jw in the 1970s and that he also had children who were raised witnesses.
it seems odd that someone that new "in the truth" would partake, and with children mind you.
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Simon Templar
We had him as a CO in the late 1990s. He was partaking then. I always liked him and thought both he and his wife were very nice people. He mentioned that he came into the truth in the 1970s.
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New Article on BEARDS and Attire of Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwfacts ini have had requests to add an article about beards and jehovah's witnesses.
it is interesting that there is virtually no statement that says a witness cannot have a beard, yet universally they do not have beards.
i have scoured quotes from all the threads on jwn, all references to beard on the cd watchtower library, and copies of elders letters that i have.
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Simon Templar
What I know of this subject was covered at the Circuit Assembly Elder's Meetings. It was stated verbally that if a Brother wanted to have a beard (some grew them to cover scars or birthmarks) it was okay for FS, but the Brother could not be used or be allowed on the Platform (this included the school). The thinking grew out of the 1960's in the USA when the hippie movement began to grow the WTS wanted a distinct visual separation. The policy continues to today. Beards were equated (in some one's mind) with radicalism like Karl Marx, Rasputin, etc.
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Are Most of the Witnesses That You Know Of Die Hard JWs?
by minimus ini think the remaining ones left are kool-aid drinkers and virtually brain dead..
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Simon Templar
I haven't seen a "die hard" witness in the past 8-10 years in my area. I see a few "robots" around, but most of the members are just good people who are hanging on by a thread. I sense that the vast majority of them know whats going on and are fed up to some extent. Quite a few Sisters have told me of their displeasure. They just keep hanging on for various reasons. Quite a few of the men refuse to serve, and a rising percentage aren't in the school anylonger. The women seem to put up with it better and longer.
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First post
by thedog1 inthis is a very strange thing for me to do.
i have been an active witness for over 25 years.
i currently serve as an elder and i conduct the watchtower study.
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Simon Templar
Hi thedog1. I understand how you feel and the thoughts going through your mind. Just a suggestion, when a study article comes along that you have problems with or the comfort factor is very low, why not have another Brother do it for you instead? Just be careful not to divulge any personal information or identify where you are from on a regional basis. Your anonymity should hold up. BTW, my personal view is that the WTS knows about this site, and that many, many of the "friends" are having problems with them and are disenchanted. The result is that the WTS is leaving people alone unless they actively speak to people directly in the Congo. They know they can't do anything about the internet and therefore, monitor it but leave it be. Just my thoughts. I may be wrong. Feel better.
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Honest survey question on effectiveness of 'apostacy'
by Simon init seems like lots of people have big dreams of 'destroying the watchtower'.
it's usually linked to a story of how they were wronged and want some revenge.
do these 'in your face' attempts to convince people that the truth isn't the truth really have an effect?.
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Simon Templar
I agree with almost all of the comments. My thought is that a person leaves when:
1. They are ready, and not a minute before.
2. They need a personal reason which is external to them such as, a Nazi in the BOE who is too demanding of them and pushes them too hard, or a CO who does the same thing-heavy handed unloving demanding pushing/watching/scruteny,etc or, when their kids have been maligned or marked inappropriately in some quasi-inquisition, or people realize that the end hasn't come and they have been waiting for decades (I know some waiting for 55-60 years) this is linked to 1914+100 years-how long do you wait? or actually how stupid are you?
3. The embarassment of the door-to-door work. Going door-to-door for decades with little result in the past 20 years or so. In the developed world the growth is practically nill. Any expansion of the religion is happening in the third world. Go back to the same neighborhoods with the latest Kingdom News Tract and tell the same householder that "the end is coming, but this time we mean it!"
4. The demonization of formal education. How can anyone be expected in the 21st Century to earn an average living in the US/Canada/Europe without a formal University Education or some specialized training in something? Forget about getting rich through an education. Just earning a living. If you live in Borneo you may be okay.
The control system used by the WTS has constructed a platform to launch people out of the religion. If its not corrected, eventually the Organization will collapse by attrition. Apostate former members have little or nothing to do with it. The main causes of disenchantment and exodus are internally created and self-inflicted.
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Why doesn't the GB come out with specific rules on counting time
by trujw ini think we all know the reason millions of less hours.
when i was in we went to a rv by the kingdom hall then drove 30 minutes out to the country to knock on a door then back to the city for one more door.
god must be so proud!
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Simon Templar
I see that today the publishers go out in the door-to-door work for an hour, go to Dunkin Donuts or Panera Bread and sit there for 1/2 hour or so (Elders and MS present) then leave and make a call or two and are counting 2 hours. Things are relaxing over the years.